Small Town Injustice

Authorities: Fantasy turned into reality:

Another article about the alleged Gulf Shores High plot in Alabama which makes the local D.A.’s office sound even more clueless…

“We believe, that in this particular case, the evidence indicates that fantasy moved into reality,” Baldwin County District Attorney Judy Newcomb told about 300 parents and students gathered in the school’s gym Thursday night. “I can’t tell you whether, when the day came, they would have carried it out. They probably can’t tell you whether they would have carried it out. We have too many adults, who, even after they’ve killed somebody, can’t figure out, ‘Well how did that happen, how did I do that? I didn’t really mean to do that when I pulled the gun on him.’

“But what we decided as law enforcement as we looked at those facts was that we couldn’t wait for that determination.”

The Gulf Shores attack, prosecutors have claimed, was to be carried out April 20 this year, the same day that Meredith originally planned to release “Grisly Underground 2,” according to Web sites he uses to promote and show his short films.

But there is a simple explanation for the movies release date…

Marty Majors, 31, a Foley man whose stepdaughters are friends with Meredith, has come to the teens’ defense. In an e-mail to the Press-Register, he recounted a version of events told to him by a Gulf Shores student he works with.

“The whole story started very innocently,” Majors wrote.

He said the 15-year-old was talking with another student in a morning class about the upcoming release of Meredith’s new horror film. The teen, according to Majors, explained the significance of April 20, the release date, being the Columbine anniversary.

“So the other student then sarcastically asked, ‘So what are you going to do? Shoot up the school?’ The 15-year-old of course said ‘no,’” Majors wrote. All the while, Majors wrote, another student was listening and “went crying home to her mom and said some kids were going to attack the school.” The mother, according to Majors, called police.

Majors’ stepdaughter, Erica Brown, 16, agreed in an interview that Meredith intentionally released his movies with particular dates in mind. “Grisly Underground” debuted Jan. 13, a Friday. Besides choosing April 20, a date shared by the Columbine anniversary and Hitler’s birthday, for the initial showings of “Grisly Underground 2,” he wanted to issue another movie on June 6, 2006, which, in numerology, translates to 666, a number that readers of Bible prophecy know as the “Mark of the Beast.”

How is that any different from big budget horror movies being released on a Friday the 13th or Halloween?

And again the D.A. hasn’t been very forthcoming with details…

“In this particular case, without going into facts, I will tell you there were statements made, there were threats made and there have been overt, documented acts both through the computer, paper and witnessed actions that this was more than just two students making idle threats.”

Yet none of that information has yet to be made public.

This sounds like nothing more than small town mentality run amok. If this had happened in New York or Atlanta this wouldn’t even be an issue. But since it happened in a small town where Joe Meredith doesn’t fit into their preconceived concepts of “normal” he’s being made a scapegoat of a plot that more than likely was made up in the minds of local busybodies and clueless law enforcement.

The longer the D.A.’s office doesn’t release details the more I believe that they have no case.

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  • http://www.myspace.com/free_joe Michelle

    You are my hero! Thank you Trench. :grin: It seems a great majority of sheep down here are willing to baaa and follow. No questions asked. We live in the ultimate ‘Kill them all, let GOD sort ‘em out’ state…Hopefully this will all get thrown out soon and these boys can try to put their lives back together.:sad:

  • http://www.myspace.com/free_joe Erica

    YES!! Thanks!! I said that!! Thank you so much fo rwritin usch a TRUE story. Maybe now other people will come forward with supporting Meredith and the 15 year-old youth.

  • morpheus

    Kid sounds pretty clever. Hope I get to see his movie :grin:

  • Alyric

    “I can’t tell you whether, when the day came, they would have carried it out.”

    Translation: We got no ev’dence, but we’re hopin’ ta scare him inta a confession! Ya’ll go back ta yer beers now, ya hear?

  • http://www.myspace.com/free_joe Erica

    HAHAHA!! I got the newspaper, and wow! Twas a good report. But that comment by Alyric…I LOVE it. That is basicaly what she said. Tee hee.:grin:

  • Tammy Summerson

    Thank you for making the rest of the population think. How can a small town make accusations that have ruined a young man’s life and get away with it. Because it is a small town he will never be able to live a normal life there again. The people in Baldwin County Alabama need to realize they are on a witch hunt. That young man is a brilliant, creative individual who I have known his entire life. I live in Chicago and cannot believe what is going on down there. Joe Meredith has always been a sweet, caring person who loves to make movies and loves his animals (in case anyone thinks he tortures animals and children). He has always had a gift for creative thinking and writing. I have never seen a movie that made me think he is unstable in any way.
    I am ashamed to say I am from Baldwin County Alabama. I am ashamed that every person there seems convinced Joe is guilty and there isn’t one piece of evidence. Mostly I am ashamed that this kid who has always been so well liked by everyone has his life turned upside down because of a comment by one teenager.
    I want Joe and all his family to know that I know this is small town ignorance and I know Joe will survive this attack.

  • anomynous

    Thank you Tammy and everyone else whose on Joe’s side. Especially thanks to the owner of this website. You sound like a brilliant man! We need more open minded people like you in this screwed up world.

  • http://www.thetrenchcoat.com Trench

    Especially thanks to the owner of this website. You sound like a brilliant man!

    Why yes. Yes I am. Humble too. :mrgreen:

  • Jim

    Trench has fans… I promised I wouldnt cry :lol:

    No room for T.O.A.S.T. when it comes to this story. is this a first ?

  • http://www.thetrenchcoat.com Trench

    If you’re looking for TOAST work I can point you in the general direction. :twisted:

  • http://www.myspace.com/blondemaddy Maddy

    :?: :?:JOE MEREDITH ROCKS HES NOT A MURDERER IVE KNOWN HIM ALL MY LIFE HE WOULDNT HURT ANYONE HE IS POPULAR AND HE IS SWEET AND GENTLE:!::!::!::lol::lol: it makes me mad to think someone would accuse him of plotting a murder and ruin his life he actually has a future and so does the “unnamed minor” they are both smart and caring i know them both and all those people who think joe is guilty can shut up because they probably don’t know him… :mrgreen: :twisted::shock::evil::!::!:

  • Jim

    No Trench… not looking, just makeing a note of how it is not needed here. :lol:

  • http://www.myspace.com/free_joe Michelle

    Ok Trench, Jim~Explain T.O.A.S.T….
    And thank you Tammy and Maddy!

  • http://www.myspace.com/free_joe Erica

    I’ve known Joe since last year in August and we became close friends, and what I know of him, he is a laid back mellow guy. He’s been making movies since he was 8. He loves his animals and won’t even let his cats go out of his house because he thnks a car will hit them. It’s sad to know that you can’t voice your own opinion and make a short film without being charged with ‘Conspiracy of Murder’. Right now, I am kinda ashamed living here. Knowing that the police and The D.A. will believe childeren that do not even know Joe and the minor and say just horrible things about them. I love Joe. He’s my bestfriend. But I will not have people slander him when they don’t even know him. Nobody has the right to judge someone when they don’t know the person.

  • http://www.crimgirl.com Courtney

    It’s bizarre that some hearsay would errupt into this much controversy. Does Meredith have a juvenile record? Or maybe the D.A. is tired of prosecuting jaywalkers and saw an opportunity for a little dramatic press coverage to spice up the lunch counter chit-chat? :wink:

  • http://www.myspace.com/free_joe Michelle

    Neither of these children have ever been in ANY trouble. Hell, the youngest just won the school talent show for his skills as a magician….Maybe that’s it…it’s a good old fashioned witch hunt!!
    Dramatic press…that’s my vote.

  • Aleah

    this is all just a bunch of redneck police officers actin irrationally out of fear of what they dont know.:mad: im just ready for the truth to finally be revealed and for joe and ‘the unnamed minor’ to be allowed to resume a normal exsistence, as normal as possible after this ridiculous ordeal. :sad: thanks trench for your insight, and im glad that so many are bold enough to stand up for what they know is right. :smile: FREE JOE AND THE UNNAMED MINOR!!

  • Dani

    Joy!
    Trench- I dig you to the utmost extreme.
    This post was actually… reassuring.
    Makes you feel all “everything’s going to be okay”-ish.
    …I wish you’d explain the eh, the toast thing, too. :mrgreen:

  • http://www.thetrenchcoat.com Trench

    Jim is my residential troll eliminator. T.O.A.S.T. stands for The Organization Against Stupid Trolls. :lol:

  • Jim

    jeez, Cant get my email fast enough :razz:

  • Dani

    Ah, yes, I get it…
    Toast… brilliant!
    Hum.
    Not a single Joe-basher on this post…
    Excellent… :mrgreen:

  • Alyric

    I took another look at this statement.

    ““We believe, that in this particular case, the evidence indicates that fantasy moved into reality. [I can’t tell you whether, when the day came, they would have carried it out. They probably can’t tell you whether they would have carried it out. We have too many adults, who, even after they’ve killed somebody, can’t figure out, 'Well how did that happen, how did I do that? I didn’t really mean to do that when I pulled the gun on him.' But what we decided as law enforcement as we looked at those facts was that we couldn’t wait for that determination.”]

    Notice how he not only immediately steps away from saying anything about the case, but also lays it on very thick in attempting to justify their actions. (I’ve indicated it with bold brackets) Keep in mind that, according to the article, this was said at a gathering of 300 parents/students at the school. Maybe it’s just me, but is anyone else reading it this way?

    “Well, crap. We arrested the kid and made a big media spectacle and now we have no real evidence that anything was going to happen. So instead of releasing him, admitting we screwed up, and apologizing, we’re going to scare all of you into supporting us and harassing the kid into saying or doing something stupid that we can hang him on and cover our asses.”

    Playing devil’s advocate, for the moment, it’s possible that there is something substantial that they’re basing this on, and for one reason or another are just keeping a tight lid on it. But it’s really not looking that way.

  • Alyric

    As a side note, the entire “too many adults…” line strikes me as rambling (it’s not an explanation, it’s random grasping at straws), which really raises my curiousity.

  • http://www.myspace.com/free_joe Michelle

    The entire meeting was left hand assurances. You should have heard the comments on possible weapons….”No weapons were found on either child, nor in their posession at their homes…That doesn’t mean they didn’t have them somewhere else.” These were the DA’s comments.:mad:
    Grasping at straws. And yeah, there is NO evidence. The minor that is being held in jail (Juvie) has NO CHARGES against him. Just being held…welcome to the USA.

  • http://www.suzieviews.blogspot.com Assorted Babble by Suzie

    I tend to agree with you. I know this town and county awe too well i.e. growing up there and living until I turned 40. (my family & relatives still resides there) There is very little crime in this county, so something like this is huge to the law enforcement. David Whetstone, Baldwin Co D.A. probably did not want to take any chances, but overall it sounds as if they do not have a case.

    This reminds me too of the Winker case, I feel they probably broke rules and did not go by the book. They are known for this. You are right if this was in a bigger city, it would be a non-issue. Then again, many of the towns that have experienced school shootings have been small. Sometimes better safe than sorry…but ones do have rights in this country.

  • Jim

    ‘we know the boys are hiding WMD’s and we are going to use any means nessesary to stop them from using them.’

    (I typed that using my best George Bush accent):lol::lol::lol::lol:

  • cant wait to get there!

    I visit Gult Shores to be with family every summer and am glad this appears to be nothing like the shocker type story that I first read.:shock::cool:
    It seems to be kinda laid back there,is it?

  • Alyric

    ”No weapons were found on either child, nor in their posession at their homes…That doesn’t mean they didn’t have them somewhere else.

    He actually said that?

    Of course it doesn’t. I don’t have any nuclear weapons stored in my house. By that logic, you could say “it doesn’t mean I don’t have them somewhere else!” and – voila – I’m a terrorist! :roll: Of course I don’t, it’s ridiculous – but look what happens here. He’s turned it around from the county having to prove Joe’s guilt, to Joe having to prove his innocence. That’s not how the justice system is supposed to work.

    Any philosophy professor will tell you, it’s often impossible to prove a negative – so tell me, how is he supposed to prove that he doesn’t have the weapons they’re looking for?

  • http://www.myspace.com/free_joe Michelle

    This was the ‘new’ DA. Whetstone ‘retired’ the Friday after all this started. He is pursuing the Lt. Gov. position for the state. He turned things over to Judy Newcomb.She is the new DA. She is the one who said this at the ‘Town Hall Meeting’ at the HS.
    And yes, I agree, it is a sad state of affairs when you have to try and Prove your innocence.
    Looks like I’m going back to the media tomorrow, they still will not turn The minor loose. Even though there are no charges against him. Grrrrr…..:mad:

  • Alyric

    I’m no law expert, so if somebody with a little more knowledge in that area wants to clear something up for me… can’t you only hold somebody for 24 hours without filing charges? Habeas corpus, and all.

  • Jim

    I believe that is a myth developed by movies, but there HAS to be something that bars law enforcment from holding a person without actual charges.
    They may have some shitty loop hole that makes them able to hold the boys longer than usual.

  • Alyric

    No, habeas corpus is real. It can, apparently, be overruled by the executive branch of the government – Abraham Lincoln suspended it temporarily during (or perhaps before, it’s been a while) the civil war – but it exists.

    Habeas corpus, as I recall, was (at least, originally) primarily a method for the federal government to intervene in state judicial affairs… checks and balances, if you will. I suppose it’s likely that under Alabama law they can hold him legally, in which case a writ of habeas corpus would have to be handled by the federal government. But again, I’m not a legal expert… so I’m on shaky ground here.

  • Jim

    OK, but why would the federal Government get involved in a shady case with zero evidence, about some kids who haven’t actually done anything ?

  • Alyric

    No, the point is that a citizen can petition for the federal government to intervene.

  • http://www.myspace.com/free_joe Michelle

    I don’t know what is going to happen. The minor is STILL locked up, Joe is still locked in his home, under electronic monitoring, constant supervision, and the last time it was on the news, under surveillance by the local PD parked across the street.
    It’s all bullshit and it needs to stop. They both have lawyers, but I don’t see ANY progress.
    The legal system sucks. Prove your innocence. Go ahead, we dare you.:mad:

  • Jim

    Oh ok…

  • john doe

    Guilt and Innonence are decided in a court room. Why don’t we all calm and wait to hear the evidence?

  • Jim

    Guilt and innocence are decided by a group of peers who are supposed to be unbiased by any other information than what the court allows them to hear.
    Here is the problem we are finding with this whole case. No one is claiming any charges against the boys esp Joe who is actually locked up as the law is plotting their course.

    Normally I would agree with you, but there is nothing on these kids to keep them in the situation there are bound too at the present time.

  • http://google.com sufu!

    fuck you bitch hes not innosent

  • Michelle

    Ohhhh…we have a literary genius in our midst….and he MUST read the papers…or watch the news…:roll:

  • Jim

    hey there sufu :smile:
    How are ya ?

    Since you were so outspoken on the subject, I figured I would offer a retort. Do ya mind ?

    Are you aware that these young fellas were arrested in America ? If so, allow me to continue :smile:
    Here in America, we have this little thing in the law books that states a person being charged for a crime is innocent until proven guilty.

    With that said… I defy you to prove these boys guilty.

    If you cant do it; shut off your computer, flush it down the toilet and go fuck your mother. :lol:

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  • Michelle

    Jim~my hero…:lol:

  • anomynous

    I agree! Jim is a trip! Just gettin around to reading the latest postings. YOU GO JIM!! I notice we haven’t heard anything back from Sufu! I guess the illiterate little shit had to take your advice Jim! :lol:

    If you cant do it; shut off your computer, flush it down the toilet and go fuck your mother.

    Great advice!

  • Jim

    I aim to please :mrgreen:

  • http://www.myspace.com/kissesforcharlie -l-ericA-l-

    HAHAHA!! Illiterate little shit, LMAO! Sorry, that’s amusing. Jim is great. Anomynous, you’re amazing. Michelle…you’re my mom so of course you’re amazing. But Jim…damn…HAHAHA!! I love you people. You guys make my day easier. XD



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