Kelsey Peterson

"what kind of teacher types in all caps?"

The kind that stuffs 13-yo boymeat in her cooch? Just a guess.

Don't know how I missed this one.

Funny, the kid's name is Fernando Rodriguez, and he wants to flee to Mexico according to the article. If only we could figure out a way for all illegal aliens to take a child rapist with them to Mexico, this country would be an awesome place to live.

Reports say she crossed into Mexico on Tuesday night around 10 PM. Now she is an international fugitive-slash-child rapist. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071102/ap_on_re_us/t…

She's white trash. She deserves

America, our society is now sicker than ever.

What do I mean by that? I mean that the laws we now have in place regarding this sort of situation are completely incorrect and unjust. They are preserved by a combination of rampant fascist ideology, the decline of patriotic and meaningful critical discourse, an astounding ignorance regarding the true nature of the minds of children, and the subconscious fear and envy of a population severely oppressed on the federal level.

You cannot make the statement, "All romantic relationships between caring adults and children are harmful to the child even if the child is very willing," without telling a blatant lie, probably for the sake of convenience. That is because it is very possible for an adult to take all necessary precautions to prevent any harm from coming to the child involved.

I assert that CHILDREN MUST BE KEPT SAFE from adults who do not care for them and would seek to harm them, but that a consensual romance between a caring adult and a child is NOT ALWAYS HARMFUL for every single individual adult and child as the law itself currently assumes. In many cases, it is true that state intervention is the only thing that truly harms the child involved.

I assert that the only thing this woman did that was unethical was causing so much anxiety for this boy's parents and other loved ones.

This woman did break existing laws, so she should expect this fact to be addressed. However, I call on prosecutors, judges, juries, and the entire United States population to never be so cowardly as to cease contemplating the validity of existing laws through rational criticism.

Thanks for reading.

So what was so wrong with my post that it had to be removed?

LMAO…Thank you. I feel better now

Alyric says: blah blah blah i'm an internet tough guy not making any valid logical points

I can't say I agree with you, and I can't say I'm even remotely afraid of you or people like you. If you want to engage in legitimate debate with me, I would very much welcome that. Unfortunately, you don't sound like a very ethical or intelligent person, so how can I take you seriously?

Now, if you just want to physically threaten me, be prepared to back it up or shut your mouth, or my only option is to think less of you.

Sounds good, Kmetzi.

I have asserted that it is not impossible for a caring adult and a willing child to engage in a romantic relationship with no harm resulting to the child from the relationship.

Is that the assertion with which you disagree? State your position.

I would say your assertion is possible and occurs everyday. People of different ages have relationships with each other on emotional levels that are very complex. However, I would submit that a child is not capable of understanding their emotions in adult situations. Therefore, the responsibility lies with the adult. If the adult behaves innappropriately, the child is adversely affected. If the adult decides to act sexually then the child is a victim. And the child knows it!

Not you, Kmetzi – sorry. Was talking to Kenny.

Kmetzi says: I would say your assertion is possible and occurs everyday. People of different ages have relationships with each other on emotional levels that are very complex.

Exactly! I'm glad to hear you understand this, right on.

Kmetzi says: However, I would submit that a child is not capable of understanding their emotions in adult situations. Therefore, the responsibility lies with the adult.

I agree that it is absolutely right to place the responsibility on the adult to ensure the child's well-being. As for the child being unable to understand his or her emotions in adult situations, what do you mean by that? Do you mean that the child does not have experience with those sorts of feelings, so he or she has not yet decided how to address them?

Kmetzi says: If the adult behaves innappropriately, the child is adversely affected. If the adult decides to act sexually then the child is a victim. And the child knows it!

By "inappropriately," I'm going to assume you mean in some currently-illegal manner. The assumption of the inevitability of harm to the child is the assumption in causality that I am not so certain is true. Certainly, this is the claim that has been made by the mainstream media for a long while now. The child knows that this is what is claimed by the media, but also knows that not everything people say on TV is necessarily true. Is it really true that psychological harm will inevitably come to a child who willingly engages in sexual activity with an adult who takes every precaution to ensure the well-being of the child? Please, convince me.

I cannot convince you of anything you are not willing to beleive. I cannot claim expertise in knowing how such an experience will manifest itself or when. All I can tell you is that you can love the children but you can't have sex with them. Even if they are related…..

Which one of the 3 women on the myspace picture is Peterson?

Gotcha. Just doesn't translate well to text. You scared me though! lol

All right, we're going to hit a dead end unless I provide evidence that this assumption in causality is not a very accurate one in cases where the adult cares about the child's well-being and actively takes all the measures to ensure the child is not harmed.

To do that, I need to know something else.

Kmetzi, what is your opinion on two children close in age below the age of consent engaging in sexual activity with no adults present?

my opinion is that it is normal. It is not normal or realistic to assume that you can provide an appropriate level of care when engaging in the type of relationship you suggest. Why? because an adult is at a totally different level of intellectual and emotional development. In other words they are not mature enough to be cared for in such a way. Surely, the applicable laws are intended to protect and ensure the well being of our children. Are you suggesting that you are smarter than the law?

Basically, the situation is wrong if the adult is in it for some sort of sexual gratification. Adults can have loving relationships with children in a caregiver/dependent capacity (and to be explicitly clear, I'm talking about parentage, be it biological relationship or adoptive) but beyond that it's a slippery slope down pedo lane.

In other words, if you are in it to get off, you should probably stay as far away from children as possible, but the court will settle your hash for 300 feet or so.

You would probably ask why? The answer is children lack sexual development, and pedophile advances are subject to all sorts of misinterperetation from them.

You don't meet many adults who would claim they are glad they were molested as children, many consider themselves psychologically scarred for life.

Once again, I agree that child molestation should always be illegal. However, look up the definition of the term "molestation." I am asserting that not all sexual interaction between children and adults is molestation or rape, more specifically when the adult cares for the child on an emotional level besides and the child is willing and the adult ensures the well-being of the child.

The media and the law, unfortunately, have twisted the term "molestation" to also include certain situations that really are not acts of molestation at all, even if they are sexual in nature.

Zigs says: It’s not a sexual preference, it’s a sexual dysfunction.

That's the current social opinion. However, the exact same thing was said about homosexuality 50 years ago. That is why I cannot trust the social order's "word" on this issue; I must see all the evidence and make the decision for myself.

Zigs says: You can’t “care for the well-being of the child” and want to stick your dick in them. Wanting to stick your dick in a kid constitutes not caring for the kid.

So many assumptions! But anyway, isn't it amazing how millions of husbands truly do care for their wives and, as you say, "stick their dicks in them"! That really suggests your understanding of sex itself is incomplete or flawed.

Kenny-How can an adult ensure the well being of a child when that child is not mature enough to know what is in their well being?

Lets focus on some more important issues like the comeback of Britney Spears.

All right, Kmetzi. So I take it you agree that children can engage in sexual activity in some situations without being harmed, as long as the act is between two children.

First of all, you realize the media has a different view on that, right? There was a recent story somewhere with a 7-year-old boy and a 6-year-old girl playing some sort of sex game behind stairs in a school and they were actually contemplating punitive action.

Second of all, let me lie down what I think an adult would need to do in a sexual relationship with a child and still ethically be in the right.

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1. Educate the child about all the risks associated with sexual activity. Then confirm that they really do understand these risks and their implications. BEFOREHAND.
2. The adult must be completely healthy, having no sexually transmittable diseases.
3. Provide medical examination results to the child and the parents of the child to show that the adult is healthy, as well as obtaining permission from the parents of the child. BEFOREHAND.
4. With all of this knowledge, be certain that the child still is interested in the activity. If not, the adult must back off immediately.
5. Use appropriate contraception techniques to prevent against unwanted pregnancy, regardless of the child's age. No chances can be taken.
6. If at any time the child changes his or her mind, cease immediately.
7. Any action must be completely innocent in nature. There can be absolutely no sadism allowed in this picture.
8. The adult must be receptive to the child's mood, well-being, attitude, comprehension, and so on, every single step of the way.
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Explain to me precisely why you are certain that every child would inevitably be harmed if a loving adult went through all of these steps to ensure the well-being of the child in a sexual relationship.

It doesn't matter what you tell the child. It is illegal, it is sick, and morally wrong. Why would you in so many words advertise sexual contact with a child. No jury in any court would consider your argument. its unrealistic. You are still taking advantage of the child no matter how you spin it. If you can't deal with the fact that sex with children is wrong and illegal maybe you should move to a different country, where people think like you if such a place exists.

Kenny if you had a 13 year old daughter (hopefully not)and a 25 year old man came to your home with that list you posted above and went through your "proper channels" would you let your daughter take this grown man up to her room for a "romantic relationship"

Belch, you are completely missing the point of why I am doing this.

@Alyric: Of course I realize there is a difference. I asked this question because I wanted to see whether Kmetzi thinks children cannot engage in sex at all without being harmed, which would require a different argument to continue.

It is well-established that rape should always be illegal. Child rape is when an adult engages in unrequested or undesired sexual activity with a child against the will of the child. I agree, that should always be illegal. But to apply the term “rape” to sexual activity where both parties are willing is, quite simply, wrong-headed, even though that is exactly where the law currently stands.

In fact, that makes people equate less serious situations with more serious situations, and the victims of what is really rape are therefore taken less seriously, which is extremely terrible.

My argument is regarding cases where the child is willing or perhaps even eager to engage in the activity.

Alyric says: If an adult isn’t emotionally mature enough to have a relationship with another adult, resorting to preying on children is not a legitimate option.

For most pedosexuals, it is not about being “unable” to engage in a relationship with another adult, but actually wanting to engage in a romantic relationship with a particular child in the first place. Preying on children is never an option. But engaging in a romantic relationship with a child is not always preying. Preying implies that the perpetrator is attempting to benefit from a victim without regard to the well-being of the victim. I assert that in the cases I am talking about where the adult cares for the child and ensures no harm comes to him or her, there is no victim.

And to be honest, I was having the debate with Kmetzi… This interruption has slowed our debate down.

I am in absolute shock. Kenny is RIGHT! Our society is sicker than ever, but the damn hypocrite that he is, with that beam in his eye, cannot see that its sick because of him and him cohorts. Whats the matter Ken, a fully grown woman doesnt find you appealing? A woman your own age is far too mentally (and of course physically) developed for you? Let me say it right here- you are a dangerous man. I have read so much on the net, but this conversation has made my gut physically hurt. You are trying so hard to sound intelligent, using an attempt at eloquent writing, to make you and your type seem a legitimate part of this planets society. You claim that 50 years ago homosexuality was not accepted, but now is, more or less. Well turn the clock back a further 50, and keep going, and you'll see that this is a cyclic process, that keeps getting eradicated! YOu act as though only now, after 6000 years of so of human history, you have the bright spark to stand up for your disgusting kind. But you are ignorant. 'You' have appeared throughout history, probably every 50 years…and history repeating itself- 'you' will be shut down by the laws and common sense of the majority (which is not 51% to 49%, but more like a ratio of one in a lot of millions). Unfortunately, 'you' have a way of manipulating society every 50 odd years in this cycle, whenever a 'new' idea of morality appears-
1. society HATES it, then…
2. IGNORES it, then…
3. TOLERATES it, then…
4. ACCEPTS it, then, WAKES UP and…
5. FIGHTS it

You ought to go study these patterns in history, what is NOT right is NOT right. Whether one believes in a religion or not, the feeling is the same throughout all of society.

So while 'you' got society somewhat manipulated, look forward to step 5- a solid FIGHT (and please, not the physical type, why is everyone soooo tough on the net- when they know we are just all behind computers?? Why even go there?)
Look Kenny, get yourself checked out, get professional help and most of all repent. Its impossible that you (like the rest of society who are all imperfect for various reasons, incl myself) wont be held accountable by that great Architect who created us. One could quote from Buddha, Muhammed, Krishnamurti- they all say the same things, but none so eloquently and as serious as the Saviour Himself (paraphrased of course)- '…it is better that a man hang a stone around his neck and drown himself, than touch even one hair on the head of a child'. We will be judged Kenneth- we are here for a reason to prove ourselves in a very short period of time, so we can enjoy eternity if we resist all the temptations and corruptions that make us humans. You think we just are the be all and end all of this universe with zillions of planets and stars spread zillions of earth miles apart (4.2 billion accessible to even the naked human eye? Think outside the square chap, coz this is a short testing ground.
Stop taking advantage of your experience to snare children, just because an adult woman/man can see right through your pedophiliac heart, -right now, you are a dangerous and filthy pig. Adios.

13 years old is hardly a kid. At that age I had already killed and skinned my first buck. I had my first girlfriend. We consummated. If she had been 25, she would still have been my first. Due to having only overprotective conservative shits like Alyric, though, only through pure luck did a child not result, as our parents never talked to us about it because they found it "shameful" and our schools never taught us about it because they believed in only abstinance. It is truly a twisted and morally backwards country which views death in any form as a-ok but sex as a vile crime against humanity. Get with the program, Europe hasn't been this ass-backwards since before the Rennaissance. When small hut-dwelling tribal chiefdoms are more sexually mature than your country, something is very seriously wrong. I have traveled to Malaysia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, Japan, Qatar, Dubai, The Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, and the Ukraine and they would ONLY consider this a crime on the basis that a tutor is only supposed to teach. If they were to have met online or as part of an arranged or encouraged marriage there would be no problem!

Her myspace page, she's the one on the right, am I correct?

I agree with Chris, you all seem never have been out of US. In many other countries, the boy or little kid is more advanced sexually that your naive little Americans, in this case, have you seen how ugly and fat is that teacher ?
I mean it was her only chance. Be the Baby Gurl of the Mexican boy that I don't think have a finger of naive. Like many teens in south America and mexico.

Thank God I live in the United States! I would find it hard not to put a bullet in someone's face if I had to see them messing with a child. Yeah, my grandmother was forced into an arranged marriage when she was 14 years old to a man who was 25. He was mean to her and treated her badly. I think that it is shameful that this is allowed to go on in ANY country. I can't believe that people are applauding other countries for allowing it to go on!!! Please, go there then…and stay there! Our naive little Americans, huh? Stay away from me and mine! Cause I wasn't kidding about that bullet! I'd go to prison for torture and murder if some man or woman did what this woman did to MY child. The only thing I'd be sorry for would be that I couldn't bring the bastard back to life and do it again!!!

Wel, after a couple minutes reading past elaborate "thesaurus from MS Word pumped" arguments, to be specific, Kenny's piece of crap attempt to make seem having sex with "kids" is ok have made me and my girlfriend want to vomit. To explain, from our point of views, we both are 19 and 18, live together, go to college fulltime and work full-time jobs, yet to this moment, learn day by day the complexities that come along with an adult relationship. "Kids" at the age of thirteen, are barely….well, teens. To begin, I believe that the boy Fernando, the victim obviously, referred to Kelsey as his "baby gurl…". Now, somebody that takes a thirteen year old boy's "baby gurl" (which by the way should be spelled baby girl) seriously, should literally seek immediate help. So Kenny, now that you have stayed quiet on us all, I think we must all know that maybe Kelsey found herself uncapable of finding love with someone appropriate, someone like an….adult. Like you Kenny, an adult, from 18- who knows what the fuck old age, with grey hair and wrinkling skin downloading torrent files full of kid-porn, I must say, it is people lik eyou that fuck up our society. You talk of other countries allowing all this crap to be not only "ok", but socially acceptable, yet, all these countries are somehow, in some weiiiiiird way, coincidentally, all third-world opiate harvesting, human trafiicking, international law breaking countries with barely any government to enforce or care abouall those kids being preyed on by assholes like you. I don't want an argument, I want you in my frontstep telling me this, and then, I know a reasonable way of setting straight. Oh, the FBI ar einvestigating this bulletin as of right now….I mean, lik ethe past posts indiate, if you find having sex with a kid is "ok", then filming must be ok too….so much as long as you "love"….so do you love your kittyporn stash Kenny….I know the FBI will….

Ok, first of all, i think most of you need serious help, Kenny most of all. It is just wrong and unusual to touch anyone younger than the age of 18. I hope that you don't have or never have children good god, get help!

Hello everyone. Just wanted to add a little fuel to the discussion. How about reviewing everyone's family tree and start flagging marriages which, by today standards, would make the husband a pedophile and a child molester, as it is in the case of Lou? The truth is pedophilia has been in mankind since day 1.
However, in recent times society has become mature enough as to recognize its potential damage to children and therefore criminalized those actions. There are some things I do not completely understand. If a 14 year old has sex with another 14 year old, it is consensual, no harm done. If this very same 14 year old has sex with an 18 or 19 year old, and it is consensual, it is rape, molestation, one of the worst crimes ever.
Who draws the line? who decides when it is appropriate or not? Why is it that women are able to have children when they turn teens, usually between the ages of 10-13? Why doesn't nature make them wait?
The U.S. has a very uptight society, which often goes against what may be perceived in other countries as a sexually "liberal" society. The truth is sex is shameful. It is morbid and perverse. Now the fashion is labeling people as "sexual predators" and mark them for life.
It be quite an interesting research to review our most prominent politicians, those people who are highly respected in history, and see if they were pedophiles, sexual predators and whatnot.
Kenny, sorry but your argument doesn't cut it. No devil's advocate, you are a true pedophile. About those talking about the FBI tracking IPs, get real. As much as I dislike child molestation and related issues, even pedophiles have a right to speak their minds. If they didn't then this would not be a free country anymore. So those screaming FBI, you're as bad as pedophiles, because you're killing our freedom, and last time I heard there are U.S. troops dying in Irak to defend it, so shame on you.
Now, on the case in point. Teachers are trusted to keep our little ones safe, to help us raise them and educate them. So for the most part, a teacher must not abuse his or her position to entice a child into any type of personal activity, much less sex. Or does this mean we need cameras in classrooms and expert analysts on human behavior to detect inappropriate activity? I think what we need is to shape up.
The U.S. has become the world circus. Everyone out there looks at what happens here and they laugh at us. Our lifes are so senseless that whenever something like this happens, copycats start popping up everywhere. There's a media frenzy to feed the perverted desire for morbosity of the audience.
So sure, keep taking away our core values, let's grow to be a country without morals, where it is totally illegal to say a prayer at a public school, but all children must be well versed in the "sexual diversity" we now have come to validate. And I have nothing against gays or lebians. Wait until someone says that his preference is sheep, and it should be respected.
We're a disgrace, we tried to be what we cannot be. We do not want to accept our responsibility for our actions.
I'm sorry for those who have made postings here and will definitely blast my posting because of their self-perception of righteousness. I bet there is one or more pedophiles in your family that hasn't been discovered. But of course, *that* doesn't happen in your home, only happens when those predators are out hunting.
Got news for most of you, predators LIVE in your house, most of them have a normal life, they maintain normal relationships with their peers, yet they do act and do harm on children, often keeping them silent by means of threats.
And for those of you who walk on water, my respects. But beware because those who believed they had the absolute truth have committed mankind's worst attrocities.
Someone mentioned innocense. That's what childhood is all about. Any debate about love, romance, etc., if it destroys innocense, is simply wrong. As my wife told my 9 year old when he asked: "mom what is sex?" and she replied "the little box you check when you fill out a form, M for boy, F for girl". Let's keep children being children.

everyone in Nebraska is white trash…so no shock here!! She probably went to mexico to get away from there. Don't blame her. maybe she was just using him as her guide.Ever thing of that?! huh huh huh?

Why didn't we have teachers like this when I was in school?

Well, I for one will answer Kenny's question as to how can it harm a child whether consensual or not.

Kenny it is harmful because a child's brain is still developing even into their 20's and their thoughts, beliefs and sense of right and wrong is developing and solidifying at that time. Their neurological development and personality is all over the place wildly at the ages you suggest, this affects judgement and perception, what may seem not harmful to them now, or to you now, may later have a negative outcome.

Is is better to take a risk like that with someone's development, or is it better to not take that risk ? The decision to affect that child by sexual contact at a young age is selfish, and while the child may not grow up feeling scarred, it will most certainly affect their future development and perceptions in unknown ways. To take a risk like that is again selfish, psychologically unstable and morally wrong. THAT is why Kenny; and just to inject an opinion, it is pathetic when a man or a woman cannot find someone their own age, how much of an inept loser does one have to be to go out with a kid, it's like the 40 year old screwing the 18 year old. It is pathetic because most 18-21 year olds are stupid and exercise poor judgement, and the 40 year old is too much of a socially malformed, inept loser to convince someone his age to date him, they are smart enough to see this so they reject him, or her, for a reason !

hehehe!!! this is so awesome! i most say that this is the first time that i actually follow an argument inside a forum! my only question is… can we still trust in women? im 20 and until i went to college,me and my sisters were in a girl-catholic private school ( for the record, being in a girls-only school doesn't mean you have to be a lesbian! >:s)
because my parents were so concern about us being in public schools with MALE teachers…
so bassicaly… even when i hated to be in that school… it didnt actually make any sense! cuz WOMEN can also be Pedophiles (actually the principal of my school was charge for minors abused… and he is a priest!) and that's what i always tried to explain to my parents! i think relationships between adults and childs are good… that's why social programs like " become a big brother" exists! but when you want to get dirty with a kid… that is just lack of confidence and possible brain damage… i mean… adults destroy thousands of kids' lives with these pratices. and sexual relationships with kids no matter the color of the skin…should be punish with more than 40 years and some other physical punishments… im sorry if i hurt somebody's feelings but that's just my opinion! i dont like pedophiles!!! is one of the most disgusting and sad things in this world! to bad it was a mexican kid, cuz this case is gonna be over in no-time and people would forget about quite soon!
my only advice… DONT TRUST ANYBODY!

I think Kenny needs to able to ask and be answered. Pedophiles often profess feelings of love for children. Shouldn't they be able to seek understanding so they don't hurt the children they profess to love?

There are some pieces missing here, much of it biological and developmental. We're also neglecting the psychological impact of a power imbalance, and imbalance that clearly exists between adults and kids. Between kids being on a much lower rung developmentally and perceiving themselves as in the power and protection of adult, kids cannot be on equal footing with an adult.

That stuff is pretty straightforward. Pedophiles usually believe they'll be the exception to those rules. The most complicated justifications come from the incomplete idea that children are sensual and sexual beings. But being sexual as a child is far from the same thing as being sexual as an adult. Safe, appropriate, developmentally healthy sexual explorations are almost always solitary for a child. Even too much sexuality with another child at a similar stage is a sign of unhealthy exposure of some sort.

It can be confusing for pedophiles because children can be so sensual, trusting, and expressive. Kids love contact and affection. And the majority of pedophiles do not coerce children into encounters. They rely on the child's affection for them and the child's innocence about sexual matters. What pedophiles need to know is that sexual contact with adults always damages a child. Children always say it does at the time and once they're grown. Though it's very complicated, it's essentially because sexual contact does not fit into a child's developmental stage and feels wrong to have a protector initiate something wrong. The child then begins to make other connections about adults, their safety, being taken advatage of, what it says about them that they were used.

In kids words, affection within the proper bounds of relationship feels good. Contact, even simple affection, outside of boundaries, feels icky and scary and like they are bad people. Often kids enter into sexual contact trusting the guidance of an adult because they care for the person, want to please, and just don't know any better. They usually end up paying for not knowing any better with how they feel about themselves for the rest of their lives.

It's not a cultural value kids have picked up and internalized. I counseled an 85 year old women who was a kid when molestation "did not exist." She permitted a family friend she initially cared for to touch her several times. No one but her molester ever knew. She spent her entire life feeling dirty, befouled, less.

Children's complicated little minds are vulnerable in their constant state of change. When we love them, we protect their childhoods.

not saying all the people in Nebraska are that way but i know that a few are so what is the age for it not to be rape on a child they do practice cousin relationship in the south west part of nebraska i know in Trenton Neb they do my i know of one that slept with her cousin for over 2 years so if you want to be with your cousin go to Trenton Neb

"The boy is an illegal alien and will not be allowed to enter the US!"

I think I called that in my first post, didn't I? And then Paul wanted to be a little bitch and challenge me that a spanish last name didn't make someone an "illegal citizen."

Suck it Paul. And there are no such things as "illegal citizens." There are citizens (you have to earn citizenship), and there are illegal aliens.

Hey, if every kid-touching teacher could deport one dumbass illegal alien, this country would be a much better place.

Marriage is legal at age 14 in many US venues. For Mz. Peterson's sake, her best bet would be to now marry the boy in Mexico or perhaps in a state like Alabama as soon as he has a birthday. The heart wants what it wants, so lets help this hapless girl out. We need all the good math teachers we can get in the USA, so lets cut her a break !!! Jake in Sigourney

Now, how does this affect the case…that the kid who was abducted and taken to Mexico was an illegal immigrant?
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/boy-stranded-after-t…

Julian, wipe your chin.

Adam said,
"Now, I don’t THINK Ms. Peterson knew the kid was an illegal and trying to be a vigilante."

I think she knew. Of course she didn't do it as a vigilante; she was too stupid to have a better plan than to run to Mexico. But she knew he was illegal. It had to have come up in a conversation some time or another.

For those asking which one Kelsey is in her MySpace photo: she is the fat one on the right.

Not to butt in here, but … come on.

Kenny- "far as I am concerned, more knowledge from experience can only mean that we will be more likely to discover what is actually true."

From experience? So what, your suggestion is that we concede to allowing all children to be sexually abused in order to see if it really hurts every single one of them? Are you nuts, or just to full of yourself that you actually think that this is the best method possible??

I really was going to bite my tongue on this one, really I was. But… you're asinine theories are just to off base to be swiped under the rug.

Pedophiles are not into the loving relationships that they pretend to be. Their preference for children comes ONLY because they have a sexual desire for them, not because they have actual "love". And when the child grows out of their AoA, they will move onto their next victim, that right there is a pretty good sign that it's lust and not love.

Putting any child at risk of being manipulated and exploited by some sick lil pedofreak just so you can stand back and gain "more knowledge from experience" is senseless. Sort of like if I was to say that I didn't think everyone stoned to death felt the process was completely painful, so we should get more experience in the area by stoning a few idiots before deciding the moral objections we might have to it.

I have to say this, beyond the crime, that she was very smart to go to Mexico. The boy is an illegal, I don't think he'll be allowed to go back or HAVE to go back. She's off the hook, well, at least a little.

With a face like hers, no wonder why she is banging 13 year olds. DAWG FACE!

Devin

Kenny,

It takes less than 10 seconds to do a search on Google to find what the effects of sexual abuse are on children. If you were really interested in learning about the topic- any half hearted research paper would have given you that. Hearing the pain straight from a victim isn't needed for those that have any sort of common sense.

But you've lacked the ability to show any common sense, starting with your first assertions, through your guidelines for 'child/adult' relationships all the way to your latest comment.

You "demand answers and intelligent rational thought", when you yourself have shown none. And only when provoked with the true to life story of a surviver do you back track in an attempt to sound less morally challenged than you really are.

The only thing you have even started to properly reiterate is the mating call defense of pedophiles who click around the internet declaring how it's so wrong for everyone to assume that sexual exploitation hurts, and how we should all see it as nothing else normal than homosexuality, or heterosexuality.

ok I don't think she is ugly or fat for that matter. You assholes that think she is are causeing little girls to think they are fat and ugly and causing them to have eating problems. In my experience, guys that say hurtful things about people they don't know have not much room to talk themselves. So that being said, please tell you mom to quit letting you fuck her, cuz god knows thats probably all you can get.

Kenny…. are you a kiddie molester? You sound like one. Are you one these perverts?

I want to address the "illegal alien" part, but for the record, not every child comes out 'destroyed' from having an early sexual encounter. Have everyone heard about this middle school that is giving away condoms and pills for girls because of the high rate of pregnancy in girls 11-14? This is interesting because if John Doe gives little Daisy who is 12 a condom to protect herself, he will be charged with accessory to commit sexual battery, child endargement, and god knows what other charges (yes, in this country they pile up charges to see which ones stick, don't you love it?). Isn't the school guilty of the same crime? That's aiding and abetting sexual performance by a child. Now, let's address the illegal alien, and I beg those who have made derogative comments, to please read on.
This country was MADE out of immigrants. The only REAL Americans are the indians whom we decimated to take their land. Then we brough slaves, against their will. Decades ago, we began using asians for railroad construction, and then mexicans to work the lands. And now we despice them.
I don't really care what the heritage of each one of you is. I don't care if you're white, black, or blue or purple. The moment I start disrespecting a person for his/her origin, or the color of the skin, I'm going back 100 years at least in social development. I know most Americans have "issues" against illegal immigrants. Next time you go to the grocery store, make sure you wash all tomatoes very well, they were hand-picked by those illegal immigrants most likely. And when we have kicked them all out, and you have to pay $14.95 for a tomatoe, remember that the $4.95/hr worker is gone south of Tijuana, and the $14.95 goes to finance is the minimum pay a "citizen" would accept to get his/her hands dirty. If we're one thing, is ungrateful. We've allowed the media to play with our emotions, and use the 9/11 issue to blast illegal immigrants who (by the way) come to this country looking for the american dream, as most of us do. The truth about 9/11 is that ALL TERRORISTS were not illegally in the U.S. They had visas. So what's the fuzz with illegal immigrants? Oh yes, let's not give them driver licenses, so they all will [still] drive uninsured, and so we DO NOT KNOW who's here and who is not. I wonder who the hell is drafting all these hate policies. Because that's the truth, it seems to be a hate-based system. Anyway, if things keep on going this way, we're doing them a favor to send them home because we'll end up killing each other out of hate and inconformity.
Now, what really, truly bothers me is when someone makes a distinction between a child, and an "illegal immigrant child". For those that do that, I place you at the same level as a child molester. The molester privates them from their innocense, but those who make that distinction private them from their humanity.
I'm sick and tired of people blasting on the "illegal immigrants" community. Did you know that etnic discrimination doesn't put you too far from nazi ideologies? I can taste bitternes when they refer to illegal immigrants as if they were less human. So is it less of a crime to molest an illegal immigrant child?
Some food for thought here… women who are illegal aliens but are victims of domestic violence, can stay in the country. Shouldn't it be the same with underage illegal aliens victims of sexual abuse as this mexican kid?

@Opinion

How do you get "ethnic discrimination" from "illegal immigrants"?

As a matter of fact, one could easily accuse you of something similar for using such a small minority (illegal immigrants) to represent an entire ethnic group.

It's not the ethnicity that's the problem. It's immigrating to the country illegally, taking jobs away from American citizens – and then not paying taxes – and numerous other issues.

If you want to immigrate to America, great. I don't care if you're Mexican, African, Indonesian, Brazilian, or Martian. Just do it the right way.

It's not really that complicated.

And to Dan…….You have made a very good point. Most of us steer clear of certain things because of not a natural aversion (although the feces eating is a given) but by lessons we have learned through the years. Will a 1-2 year old not play with poop until they are taught that it is unsanitary and unacceptable behavior. Our life experiences teach us acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Coming from a family of teachers we have a couple of family rules. Under no circumstance is it acceptable to be alone with a student. Once an allegation is made it can never be taken back. As difficult as it may be….there are no teachers pets. It sets the "pet" up for harassment from other students and undermines the ability to teach those students who are offended by the special attention. Bottom line is that there are no acceptable reasons for a teacher to engage in any type of relationship with a student other than that of being an instructor.

HEY MUG…IS THAT ALL YOU CAN SAY? WHY SOMEONE TYPES IN ALL CAPS…

ms.p was my tech. last year she was cool,fun,and funny…and if she and fernando love each other they should be together and no one should stop them…

Except there's these pesky things called laws.

Do they teach kids anything these days?

Paul, I think you must be kidding. Otherwise, its time to have your moral compass replaced since you seem to have lost yours.

In fact, Ana appears to be a perfect example of a product of our modern education system. Note the lack of spelling, punctuation, grammar and the horrible, illegible abbreviations. Add to that her lack of ability to tell right from wrong and presto! Instant future Democrat voter.

i think this is very sick when you love someone nothing else matters but ow in the hell could she fall in love with a 12 year old last year??? and now hes saying they didnt have sex wow like any ones gonna believe that sick sick

guessnot

well i am emmberaced because i live in lexington and i had her teacher and she was the best teacher i have ever had and always told us not to do bad stuff and was there for us and everything you could ask for from a teacher and then she goes and does this to us idk im just really mad

well idk how the heck does she got to a great person and great athlete that everyone want to be like her and then she goes and does this idk she just ruined her whole life and i feel bad for her daughter that she wont get to see her mom forever but if my mom did that i would never want to see her again

Dan,

i agree with you all the way and if he hit on her first she should of told him it was very wrong and so forth i dont understand why they left town to ru yes knowing they was gonna get caught what did they want 1 more last week together and she left her daughter behind whos only 5 years younger than him i really dunno what was going through her mind on ohter websites they was saying its been going on for over a year he was12 wow and her friends and family knew about it and said it was wrong and she came back with she was doing nothing wrong and his family knew to and was tryin to end it why the charges now then if it was okay then and nobody went to the police then im just really lost here

Nebraska Mom said:
Most of all though she has a WONDERFUL little girl. This little girl could access all of these things you “Adults” have to say. As if trying to deal with all that is happening to her isn’t enough do you really think that she needs to hear the immature awful things that some of you have to say!

I guess that little girl's Mommy should have considered what people would write and say about her whorish, child-raping behavior then, huh? And Google will never forget. For as long as the webservers host this content, anyone googling the name of Kelsey Peterson will know what she did, and what she lost because of her actions.

And hopefully this little girl's new permanent guardians will do a better job raising her than her mother did. And that may include monitoring her online activities.

How can anyone validate or justify what she did? By the way, she LEFT her little girl behind to go off with a 13 year old. How do people in Nebraska feel about that? She was never concened about her little girl before.

Did I read somewhere the daughter is eight years old? That would mean Kelsey gave birth as a teen. This hypersexual culture is really reaping what it sows.

A boy who's been in trouble with the law by 12 is definitely a weak one in the herd. Happy, healthy, safe, supported kids don't often act out like that. Pedophiles hunt with this knowledge.

Ok first off I 100% agree that Kelsey made her choices her. She was an awful mom for leaving her little girl for this 13year old boy. Kelsey never even had her daughter during the week her parents did from my understanding. Her daughther stayed with her parents for most of the little girls life. Kelsey has just been a bouncy ball in this little girls life. Plus I know for another fact that Kelsey's family had no clue of this realationship until right before she ran off. Her daughter found notes from the boy and gave them to her grandfather(kelsey's dad). He then confronted the issue and Kelsey lied and said he was 18. He told her it was wrong and to end it. He also told her she wouldn't see her daughter again until she dealt with it. This was on Saturday morning. They had no clue at this point about her leave from school or the plans she had. His parents and family did know about the realationship though but couldn't go to athorities due to their illegal status. You are right that it seems Kelsey knew what she was doing. But seriously don't blame her family. She made her own choices and needs to deal with them.

Sorry, misinformation from another thread.

It seems to me our society in general has a pretty significant double standard of pedophilia based on the gender of the perp and victim. News reports in this case refer to them as "lovers". In many other nationally-reported incidents involving a female teacher and male student, the male is a "lucky kid" and the female pedophile is give a couple years in prison. If genders are reversed, the male pedophile is sent up for life and there is no way reporters would ever refer to them as "lovers".

As a "victim" (though I don't like to think of myself that way – it's just something you have to try to deal with and work through) of sexual abuse when I was younger, I can guarantee you that the harm is as real and significant to the young male as to the young female victim.

i agree it could of happened any where it doesnt make the place wrong i live less than 75 miles from there but im just mad everybody thinks its wrong now when it wasnt a year ago nobody said anything until a year later kinda dumb on everybodys part

Sorry Nebraskamom, if you feel like people here are putting Nebraska down. We should set the record straight. The Rodriguez family tried to alert local authorities, as well as the middle school of the improprieties of Ms. Peterson for some time. And their complaints fell on deaf ears, which is typical for Lexington law enforcement, as well as Cozad, and other surrounding areas.
People shouldn't look on Nebraska with disgust. Just one county. Dawson County dropped the ball.

Arod,

The only culture that has thrived in Lexington is a culture of illegal aliens. The whole town nearly shut down during the last immigration protest when all illegals walked off their job, and living there, YOU KNOW IT!

Well miss Maria from IOWA.
First off – everybody from Nebraska is NOT white trash!! There are a lot of decent people here living their lives, raising their kids, and going to work everyday to make a decent life for their families. I went to school with Kelsey and she would've been one of the last people anyone would've thought to engage in this behavior. Does that mean I liked her – no. Does it mean that I condone what she did – no. But the fact remains that it wasn't because she is from NE. It's because she is a seriously disturbed individual. They were both at fault, and it wasn't just the dawson county police. She was warned by other staff members as well as family members that trouble would result. She chose not to listen and the police were not informed until her administrative leave, right before they disappeared. I think if anyone wants to debate this, they should have their facts straight – and I don't care who pushes, it is never right to have sex with a child. At sixteen, you are old enough to make an informed and consensual decision on wether or not to have sex. What the age of that person is, is a personal choice according to law. However, I don't agree with it. If you can't vote until you are 18, can't rent your own place until you are 19 and can't drink until you are 21, I don't think anyone over 21 should be able to have sex with anyone under 21. Once you pass 21 – you can have sex with someone however much older than you that you want. Until then I think you need to stay within your age and maturity group. Kelsey was not the only one at fault – this 'little boy' was just as much to blame. He knew exactly what he was doing – he was not forced to go away with her – this is not the first time he has run away.
And for Dave – the town did not almost shut down during the immigration protest – there were still plenty of businesses up and running and doing very well. Downtown had it kind of hard with them blocking the streets. This isn't about the illegal immigrants – it's about a trusted teacher who overstepped her bounds with a child and a child that encouraged all bad behavior and took part in it. Neither should be let off the hook. I don't care how you look at it – it's disgusting! There is no way a child of that age has the power of the magnitude of 'love' that has been described, and if Kelsey has that magnitude of love for a child, then what did her daughter, who was only five years younger, go through at her home? You can go over and over this but will never come up with a satisfactory answer for everyone. Bottom line: THEY WERE BOTH WRONG AND THEY SHOULD BOTH BE PUNISHED, AS SHOULD THE FAMILIES AND THE FACULTY WHO KNEW IT WAS GOING ON AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT OTHER THAN WARN HER THAT SHE WOULD 'GET INTO TROUBLE.' That, I believe, should be considered aiding and abetting. Dawson County is really good at making examples out of people so others might think twice – this should be one of those cases – this whole case has come down really hard on the entire county and the past teachers reputations have been questioned because of it. We have some great teachers up here – and for the entire area of dawson county to suffer, is just plain wrong. Places don't make people bad, people make people bad. Mental issues make people bad, and if you want to go all psychologist on this, how was her childhood? You are never going to find your answers – no matter how much you ask. You can debate all you want – only her and the child will know exactly what went on.

So if this family is here illegally, and this is now known what if anything is being done regarding their status?
Will they all be returned to their country?
Will they instead now get a free pass to the US and green cards all around?
Will the boy be allowed back because he has been made a victim? Will his family get to stay because well he is a kid, and will need them? Not to mention I am sure they will say they also suffered. Which in some ways is likely so.
After all as stated the State will likely need him for their case. I can not see them bringing him in and sending him back.
Is this what is meant in the one story when the family member said the FBI was handling it??

I have to be honest I am torn on the issue of allowing him back and giving them citizenship but than we know that will likely come into play.

Just going by his own actions without mixing in his being a victim it has been said he was already off on a not that great (or legal) path. So do we overlook that, and just give him his card and say welcome sorry that you become a victim to one of our own?

Mind you at the same time I do wonder where this kid will end up now after all this?? I pray that he can bounce back as many victims do, and make a real life for himself.

As far as the abuser having been sexually active early in her own teen years. I can not help, but wonder if this is not becoming a pattern these days.
. So many of these kids now days are growing up way too fast.
They live their teen years as if they are in their 20's. It seems when they hit their 20's they have a desire to return to those care free teen years to grab what they missed by rushing through them. In the process of doing that they latch on to the young people and therefore set in motion a horrible never ending cycle.

Arenas said the woman admitted having a sexual relationship with the boy but felt it was unfair that she would be branded a predator and separated from her 8-year-old daughter.

She thought about this before and stop whining. She's a PIG!

I think miss Peterson make a very wrong choice, and must be punished, I’m glad to know that you have laws that consider that kind of acts as a crime, even with children’s consent, because you must have in mind that many pedophiles involve their victims in a “relationship” as children are not mature enough to feel that actions as direct aggressions.

I disagree with some of you, because in your “square heads” you still consider our Latin American countries less developed, it is true that we have many things to do, a long way to go, but I can tell you that we don’t accept that type of situations as “normal” things, I know there are many communities that live in poverty, and I accept it, with sadness that our kids are used for prostitution and many of our beautiful touristic places receive a lot of foreigners looking for that kind of services, but let me tell you something we are fighting against that, beside the Government actions, there are many civil associations that are taking action to promote our “Children’s Rights”. and there must be not boundaries in this battle.

I'm sorry Lindsay, but from my perspective, The town WAS nearly brought to it's knees. I was there. Protesters had Plum Creek parkway blocked for almost 20 min. before the police showed up, but I suppose you wouldn't know anything about that. But you're right this isn't about Illegal immigration. This event though, is an example of inept city management that existed then and existed through to this tragedy.

Case in point: the school waited to contact police as to the disappearance of Ms. Peterson until after they placed her on administrative leave. Valuable time was lost.

As far as the quality of education there, all I can say is for every person you can find that boasts about the schools there, I can probably find you three who have an opposing view. Used to live there. There are serious secruity issues plaguing both the Cozad and Lexington area schools.

Rick,

Unlike where my son was at, he now has teachers who want to see him succeed. They communicate with my wife and I about his progress, and we know that they we are always welcome to talk to his teachers directly at any time. This is the way it should be. As long as parents are interactive in their childrens' education, maybe that's a step closer toward keeping these things from happening in the future.

http://www.ketv.com/news/14532095/detail.html

She's coming home y'all

Dave
You hit on one of the biggest problems in our schools. You would be amazed at the percentage of parents who won't even take the time to attend parent teacher conferences. Parents need to understand that we actually spend more time with their children than they do. My view is that we are actually partners in raising these kids. When they succeed we succeed. When they fail we have to look at what we can do differently to encourage them to succeed. I have overheard parents saying that if their child had a specific teacher that their child would do better in school. To some degree this is true. Some teachers are simply collecting a paycheck. However, for those of us that believe in our kids and the endless possibilities that are in their futures we not only welcome parental involvement but know that it is absolutlely crucial to the success of their child.
Lindsey
True…those days of trust are gone. And it actually hampers our ability to teach. We have to stop and think about how all our actions will be viewed by a society that sees a pedophile in everyone. Once again, parental involvement makes the difference.

I'd like to reiterate- he was 12 when it started!!!! She was the adult. How can you justify that?

Lindsay, I will grant you that there are some good people working at the schools. I'm also glad your friends and family did okay during the protests. Actually, I think we're on the same page, but over exemplifying a bit. This is a serious issue that evokes alot of emotion, and as well it should when we consider what's at stake.

This has become an all to frequent occurance in our society these days. And I'm not just talking about teacher student relationships. What scares me the most is that we are beginning to lose that sense of shock these stories evoke.

Among all the natural resources our world has to offer, our children are the most valuble. In them, we entrust our future, our hopes, and dreams. They have accomplished what many of us only dreamed of. And now it's come down to this….

I'd like to suggest a movie that people should watch. It's called, "Children of man". Check it out…

Rick,

How well I know about parents' lack of interest in their childrens school career. My father was a teacher. He complained about it all the time.

You keep doing what you do, Rick. You might not have an impact with the parents, but I'm sure you will with the kids. They'll remember you for the rest of their lives. That's what it's all about.

What Fernando deserves is for adults to assure him that he did nothing wrong, that it is no fault of his that he was swayed by an adult, that children are very vulnerable to adults and are usually easily swayed by them. He should be given real examples so he knows he is not alone, not especially flawed and lowly prey. Fernando needs help framing this experience as something he is not responsible for, something he will get over in time now that he has the support of caring adults who want to see him happy and successful. He needs to know he can move beyond it and it's not an indication of some irrevocable flaw in himself. Then, like every other child, he needs safety and security, loving support, insightful adult guidance, community and opportunity.

Taught school there….glad I don't anymore
I will never teach at a school I coudn't send my own kids to.

I totally agree. The extremes they are taking it too is just a bit much. There are so many kids out here who have times when they need a pat on the back for encouragement, or a hug when they are dealing with tough times. Heaven knows many kids are having it a lot tougher now days than we ever had it when I was coming up.

I know that there is always that fear, and always those around likely to take things out of context. However a hug here and there is not the problem at least not in my opinion.
They have obviously lost sight of the real issues they are facing and how to handle them when they take it this far.

I also can not help wonder where this will lead to in regards to these kids forming relationships. We seem to have our fair share already of people young and old who are walking through life "detached' from personal feelings and relationships. We have more than enough people out here unsure of just how to have a proper friendship or relationship.
Will this type of thing not lead to more of that?
Is it not better to teach them the way to healthy, and appropriate well rounded friendships relationships as well as better self images to help them from being the perfect picks for people like Peterson and the rest of these pedophiles?

Rick, no one ever thought anything of hugging students back in the 70s because no one was acknowledging pedophilia. It was too horrible to acknowledge. Kids were hurt because hugging was the thing to do, so you couldn't turn down a hug if you happend to be the unfortunate one who drew the pedophilic coach. And in fact, coaching is a superior way to prey on kids, so predators do become coaches. Those of us with healthy feelings about kids miss being able to hug kids. But things being what they are, it's better for kids. We can't just go grabbing them whenever. It's a good message.

The tragedy is that people would prey on our children in such a way and to such a degree that it inhibits professionals' involvement in kids' education and enrichment. Society is not wrong to stop adults from hugging kids. Sadly, we had to. Blame the predators.

Besides, people generally follow this rule most stridently with teens, and I don't believe teens need to be pressed up against a lot of relative strangers. Their sexual feelings are very confusing for them.

When we could no longer turn a bilnd eye to the predation of children, we thought we could teach the kids to turn in predators, instructing them how they can and cannot be touched, telling them what to say and who to go to. That doesn't work because predators manipulate shockingly vulnerable young minds, play on their affections, sense of self, worth, and security. Predaors aren't grabbing, they're grooming. Kids are too vulnerable and we need to protect them.

I find following physical contact rules very freeing. My behavior is unimpeachable. I'm never alone with a kid. So I can use caring words, express my enthusiasm, pride and approval very freely. Kids love that.

Education staffs know when someone stand too close, closes a door they shouldn't, is too physical, or shows misplaced interest. They knew with Kelsey. Why they didn't act is another thing. What's it called with police, the Blue Wall? Solidarity? Maybe it was villianizing the victim, that's popular. Or maybe just burying their heads in the sand, too ugly to look at. I think that's most popular.

What you're talking about with coaching, not doing it because of the tenuous situation of those who work with children, is what I hope is the far end of the pendulum swing. In general, parents feel far too entitled. They spread this to their children. I have parents with kids who have acted outrageously and instead of taking it to the kid as a serious indication of a need to change, they pursue me for perceived slights, tell me I've been unfair. It's bad for their kids ultimately.

Used to be kids and parents had to sit and take whatever some authority, like a coach, dished out. Now they can speak up. That's good, but there needs to be some balance, some perspective.

So the woman made a F(_)cken mistake! What about that coach that married his student? Don't tell me you idiots forgot about that? This kind of shyt has been around for centuries, I know it's bad but why don't you morons concentrate more on the ones that are selling children over seas. Have you ever seen 20/20? There was a show once that said that U.S. men ( ALOT OF THEM TOO ) going over seas to have sexual encounters with underaged kids! Yet, you fools waste your time on one woman… ha, you people make me sick!

im kind of curious if a teenage boy is harmed by sexual contact with a woman.
legally its sexual abuse but laws can be wrong.

First off, I have to say that I am from the camp that thinks that the age of sexual consent should be lowered to 14. To insist that physical development doesn't matter is to ignore the quite obvious fact that we have matured into sexual beings.

As a society, we've got to get away from the 'icky' thing. I think it is ridculous to equate having sex with some horrible injury. Where is the harm, really, in the scenario w/ these two? To me, it seems like a couple of stupid people making bad decisions, but nothing that shouldn't be allowed in a free country (with the exception of her leaving her kid to run off).

With that said, there it, I've drawn my line in the sand at 14 years old. The kid was 13. If you want to punish her, fine. I don't think justice is going to be served by locking her up and throwing away the key, however.

I think it is sick to have sex with young children, but I also think it desireable to have sex with attractive people. This isn't a preference, it's just the way people work.

Geez, you people are all over the place. Half of you can't even see the difference between an inappropriate relationship with a minor and pedophilia.

A lot of our laws are crafted around arbitrary constructs such as the age of majority or the age of consent. Those constructs vary from culture to culture, and even from state to state in our own country.

This kid is a sexually developed punk who banged his trailer trash fat chick teacher. He is not a victim of anything.

She has obviously made some poor choices, but I wouldn't label her a pedophile, predator, or child molester on the basis of this relationship alone.

Now, it looks like he can be granted a 4-year visa as a crime "victim", apply for permanent residency. His parents and siblings can now also receive temporary residency. Screw a fat chick, come to America.

Who's justifying anything, Disgusted?

And what, exactly, do you know about the emotional maturity or sexual experience of either of these two people?

I see this kid as a willing partner who saw this woman as a girlfriend. She's an idiot for getting involved with someone that young, but in THIS PARTICULAR CASE, it certainly doesn't seem like child molestation or pedophilia.

I was his age once. There were several female teachers of mine that I would have been more than happy to enter into a sexual relationship with. And I would not have seen myself as a victim, I guarantee.

if you cant tell the difference than you really aren't that smart so i will tell you.
Girls equate sex and love very closely. they are more easily manipulated and hurt by adults.
Boys really dont. They just want sex.

I find the logic of "well, OTHER societies do this..blah blah" flawed We are not those other societies. This is our society and our social norms. Just because those OTHER societies have these sorts of situations doesn't make this any less harmful. We as a society however have the enlightenment to create a legal framework around these issues because we understand that regardless of social norms, science tells us that these acts are indeed harmful. Any law can be based off of that particular societies social norms. Being a scientifically advanced western civilization, we have the benefit of science and technology to help us understand certain situations and in turn help us determine legal doctrine. In this case, science has shown us the underdeveloped brain in children and how it differs from an adult brain. Science has shown us the psychological and physiological harm of an act such as this. Regardless of what those other societies do, we can therefore feel comfortable that the way our society views this situation is quite rational and the law is appropriate.

Children are not the property of parents. They ought not have the right to control their sexuality. Instead of trying to stop them from experimenting, they ought to teach them about the potential consequences of sex and help them to protect themselves from disease and from being taken advantage of. Teach them that it's ok to say "no" and that it's also ok to say "yes" if that's what they want to do.

Again, we're not talking 4 year olds here. Once kids reach sexual maturity they need these tools to make the right decisions — for themselves.

I do agree that taking a kid to mexico is not cool, and is, indeed illegal, as it should be. That's where she went REALLY wrong. But had society and the law permitted their relationship in the US to continue, she wouldn't have had the need to resort to such desperate and foolish measures. Very sad case of things getting way out of hand, when they did NOT need to.

DAZ, you're an idiot. I'm well aware of what's been going on for years in our schools. Mostly at the hands of Catholic priests, though. Seeing as how *I* am NOT a criminal though, *I* cannot go out and do the things I think about doing to these people who harm children. I stand by what I said that if anyone harms MY CHILDREN, I will make them wish they had never been born. Make no mistake about that! Because I'm not a vigilante for others that I don't know…that makes me a hypocrite and a show off and whatever else DAZ says. Oh, and I'm a woman, by the way.

Openminded,

No, Children aren't the property of parents, but parents do have the final say in what their kids do (or don't do) until they're old enough to do this for themselves. Fernando wasn't old enough, or mature enough to make a desicion like this. So his former teacher made it for him. She took advantage of a boy half her age!

Steve,

I think we're agreed that science can be a good barometer, but like any piece of impartial information, results can be bastardized into something that supports the opposing view.(as it so ofter has) that's where common sence, and a good moral compass come in.

Impose her will… haha, that's great. Like she's an evil genius with a sinister plan. That's highly likely. I think it's quite clear that one thing they were both sorely lacking was a plan.

Anyway, to the poster who wagering on when I might become a grandfather…. Among the many things I try to teach my daughter is the preciousness of personal freedom. On sex, we've had the talk. There's not a manual out there for the right ways to do this stuff, but I'm doing the best I can. I feel as confident as I can in my parenting. If you are doing the same thing, you won't have to worry about your kid, either.

I think it's important for the government to butt out of the lives of its citizens as much as is both safe and practicable. And I do not buy that the people in this story have suffered any injury, except at the hands of the government. All they've done is offend some of you.

But hey, if you are the kind of person that likes to be able to tell people what to do and how to live, none of that matters, and we'll never agree.

Well at least my opinion of you hasn't changed with your last post, mike. I'd bet you'd be singing a different tune if your kid took a ride with someone to Mexico, or something worse. (God forbid) But hey, it's their right to explore their sexuality. Right, Mike?

Good luck with the Grandchildren…You'll need it!

AP is reporting that Ms. Peterson's attorney has reason to believe that the boy is older than 13, and she is requesting his original birth certificate from the Mexican consulate.
I've suspected this myself all along, actually. And furthermore he lists his age on his myspace account as being 22. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=u…
He's most likely stretching the truth about that of course, as many youngsters do on sites like that, but still…judging by his photo there (which seems alot more recent than the photos the press were showing of a fresh-faced innocent young boy), I very well believe he really could be older than 13.
And yes, all you doubters, I'm 99% positive that it's really his myspace. I took both the photos, the one released by AP, and the one from myspace and enlarged them in photoshop side by side. The myspace photo is mirrored backwards, but when you flip it, the boy's features match, i.e. the shaved eyebrow and the large gaudy fake diamond studs in his ears.
The whole myspace page of his is an homage to his gangster lifestyle, it seems.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm finding it hard to swallow that this kid is the innocent, naive child that everyone seems to want to believe that he is. More likely, Ms. Peterson was a notch on this kid's belt, and he had other males in his life telling him "way to go, stud".
Trust me on this one. Unless you've been a female living in a town full of mexicans and illegal immigrants and their "gangsta" mindset you probably won't understand, but I assure you that it's very well possible that the boy could have been the aggressor in this relationship. I've had more than my share of uncomfortable sexual advances put upon me by aggressive young hispanic males, enough to make me raise my eyebrow skeptically when people are ready to burn Peterson at the stake for "preying" upon this so-called innocent child.
Note that I am NOT trying to justify Peterson's involvement in this, especially considering that if she truly believed the boy was only 13. She's definitely got issues, if so. I'm just sayin'…I believe there could be alot of angles here that need to be examined.
Get your lighters ready, I'm climbing up on the stake so you can burn me now for my probably unpopular opinions.

it was just issued that kelsey was fired today. i know this doesn't come as a shock by why did it take them this long to fire her?

It took this long because the government doesn't do anything fast.

And you can suggest that I raise my daughter to be a whore, if you like. But it doesn't further your argument. And besides, your argument is irrelevant anyway, because you can't tell me that that kid is screwed up as a result of the actions of the teacher. Y'all just got your pitchforks and torches out and wanna see this woman burn. Well, I suppose you'll get to see that. But that doesn't mean it's right.

Concerned in Cozad,

I couldn't tell if you were joking or not. I think your post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. If not, you are a stooge.

The age of consent in India is 16 years old. I love it when dopes post stuff without doing any research at all.

the myspace page has been made for days months and mum i dont think its the same person were talkin about here so yea i think he maybe older than 13 but sure in the hell not 16 but also i dont think she should be sentenced to 10 years to life murders dont even get that big of a sentence my friend and her 2 yearold daughter was murdered in omaha and the guy who did it did 4 months in jail wtf my daughters uncle got shot on halloween and his killers gettin 7 years another guy i know got jumped at a party in council bluffs his 3 kileers got a few years another guy killed some one got off killed another got less than 10 years so yea she shouldnt get but a few i know that will piss alot of people off but fair is fair justice is never served in nebraska unless its petty crimes then you do the time

When I was 14, I dated a 21 year old man. Although we were not sexually involved, it never occurred to me that our relationship could be illegal.

And TODAY (that was over twenty years ago) kids are much wiser at an earlier age.

At the same time, adults aren't always that "smart" and can often be easily manipulated.

I think there is a difference between a child and a teen.

Just some thoughts.

sorry hes 21 now he was 17 when he had all these kids

Adolescence lasts into the early 20s. 21 is accepted, but I've also seen 22 -24 in newer sources. That means they're still pretty confused about decision-making. Back in the bad old days, when people worked 16 hour days and died befor they were 50, died young, died in birth, babies lost in birth, people married in early teens. Had to be done for the survival of the race. READ what those poor kids had to say about those marriages. So sad. It was simply what was done in crude times.

We have the luxury of some growing sophistication now, I hope. We know better now, can do better for our kids.

Having talked to hundreds of kids, I wanted to propose an age for intercourse to my daughter, give her an idea because kids make assumptions about the age they should be having sex. My impression was that the young people I'd spoken to felt good about first sex had at 18. I told her that. Since then, people in their 20s have told me they think it should be 19 or 20. I'm shocked. The 22 year olds are saying don't have sex till you're 20. Very interesting. I don't think most people can resist past 18, but it's an interesting feeling these young people have. They're pretty disturbed by their mistakes. I think maybe kids could be happy with sexual decisons at 18 if they had some communication skills. The college-age kids are really saying that, unguided, the didn't know what was going on till recently.

Mendo
I agree that there is a huge double standard in the law concerning sexual assault cases. When we go to vote we are in essence allowing people to pass even more laws. What else are they going to do? At some point, and I think that we are far past it in my opinion, we are going to be over legislated.

Dan
What I have really enjoyed about this thread is not only the fact that everyone has me thinking of others views but also the education I get. Regarding your post Nov 20 4:32. Words I never knew. Continue the education. Thanks…R

Peterson’s baby’s daddy gets custody
by Trench on November 20th, 2007
Dad of Peterson’s child gets temporary custody:
The father of Kelsey Peterson’s 8-year-old daughter has been granted temporary custody of their child more than likely because of Ms. Peterson’s country fleeing and child touching ways. His name is William Alexander Long and he resides on Texas.

“My wife and I are anxious to have my daughter come live with us,” Long wrote in the affidavit. “We are both gainfully employed and capable of providing for my daughter’s needs.”

In the affidavit, Long said the girl spent the Labor Day weekend with him and his wife. After the child’s return to Nebraska, he began having trouble reaching her on the telephone, he said. Peterson told him that the girl was not home and that she would have the girl call him later.

“It has now become clear that Kelsey was doing this to keep from me that (my daughter) had begun living in Gothenburg with her maternal grandparents and was now even attending school there,” the affidavit says.

Long said he learned that Peterson had been having a relationship with a minor and former student. “As this relationship came to light, she apparently had (my daughter) staying with her maternal grandparents more and more frequently.”

Sounds like a nice family. It will be nice for the daughter to be in a non-country fleeing teen touching home

Mendo-

There are cases where teen boys rape adults, usually adults known to them. It is an extreme act of violence. Those are some seriously damaged kids to lash out with such criminal behavior. Of course we need to remove that child from society. He is too disturbed to safely be among civilized people. But it's a tragedy for more than the victim. A child has to be very badly treated to be made disturbed enough to commit such an act of violence.

On the topic of boys in general, this society is far too rough on boys. They definitely get the short end of the stick in many ways. Girls are generally protected, encouraged to be aware of their own feelings and communicate them. Boys are expected to act like men long before they are able. And once they look like men at 14 or 15, forget it, mercy, protection and guidance are a thing of the past.

It shocks me how we keep talking about how kids made choices and are responsible for their actions. Kids can only be responsible for decisions where they had the skills to possibly make a good decision. If your 16 year old leaves his clothes on the floor or food on the counter, then he is damn well fully responsible for his decison and should be held accountable. If he fails to show up to a babysitting job at the neighbors, he should reap the full force of the repurcussions. But do not expect a 16 year old to be able to be reponsible for intercourse because he or she is not equipped with anything but drive and hope.

And to hold a 13 year old depending on the guidance of a trusted adult responsible? It's ludicrous.

Do you all remember being teens? Even if you weren't the door-slamming, screaming type, I guarantee you were confused, easily upset, and made poor decisions as often as you made good ones. They're just kids all strung out on hormones and emotions they're not used to working with. They think they're grown. We KNOW better.

My daughter insisted she was grown at 16. Now that she's 20 and out in the world, she realizes she's just a kid still. It's that 15-17 age, where they're sure they're big shots, that we have to protect them the most.

I saw a news article about a 14 year old girl who went out several times with a 28 year old man. He negotiated intercourse over the course of four encounters. He took no for an answer three of the four times. She kept going out with him. People seemed to blame her.

Kids are malleable and they have no idea how to interpret or act on their feelings.

This girl saw a cute guy. He liked her. He told her she was hot. He wanted to spend time with her. He was older. Awesome. Means she must be pretty cool and mature too. He was so cute and he made her feel so desirable and grown that those feelings must be True Love.

Kids think and feel like kids.

I'm working with a 19 year old who went out with a 28 year old high school teacher this year. The teenager makes clear to me she in no way feels like a victim or is blaming the teacher. But she is hurt, feels very bad about herself. She doesn't understand, tells me she was not "true to herself." She has "no idea how it happened." And she keeps kicking herself. Now this girl is extremely mature and well-adjusted. She is light years beyond many of her peers. Insightful, in touch with herself, confident, very intelligent. She felt pretty grown. Her thought process was not much different than the 14 year old above.

As I understand it, pretty much all girls must have a similarly hurtful and confusing experience with an older man who wants to get with someone innocent and as yet unjaded by, well, men like him. And our society tells him it's perfectly fine, go ahead, enjoy. I get the sense these men truly don't know the harm they're doing because we constantly defend it as a "freedom" we don't want to talk about in terms that sound judgemental. So a high school teacher gives a consent-age teenager who is not his student a lesson that men are kind of icky and not to be trusted much, and we can't say anything about it because we've wrapped ourselves up in justifications.

Oh, the 19 year old is in love with her best friend at college now, trying to put the older guy behind her.

So I just heard on the local news that they have new developments in the whole story. Turns out that our young man is also a dad to a two year old little girl! That would have made him only 11 when he became a dad. All I can say is WOW!!!

this is really gettin ignorant

I bet a lot of the people posting comments here would be outraged if they heard of an adult giving alcohol to a 13 year old that "wanted it." But somehow they think that same 13 year old is capable of making a sexual decision. Groan. Cmon, we all drink as adults, there's no harm in it, right?

OMG! SERiOUSLi i LiV iN LEX ND i DNT KNO WTS UP WiTH ALL YA'LL SAYinG
"BiG DEAL iTS LEXiNGTON"
LEXiNGTON iS NOT A BAD PLACE
AT ALL!.! ND JUST KUZ SHE WAS FRM HERE DNT MEAN WE ARE ALL LiKE DAT!.
i MEAN EVERYONE MAKES STUPiD MiSTAKES ND
YEA MAYB HER'S WAS BiGGER THAN MOST OF
OTHERS BT SERiOUSLi STOP JUDGiNG OTHERS
ND LUK AT URSELF.
DNT B STUPiD ND PUTTiNG COMMENTS YU DNT NEED TO PUT THERE.
MS. PETERSON WAS Mi 6th GRADE TEACHER
TOO. ND WE ALL KNE iT WULD HAPPEN SOONER
OR LATER. SO W-E iT HAPPENED SO GET OVER iT.

omg i bet have the stuuf u were talking about happens in ur town and u were exageratig about some of the stuff that happens in lexington unless u lived here like me u would know wats going on and i agree with someone but get real u need to get real got it if ur gunna have a name like that u should at least look at urself in the mirrior ok

That stuff does happen in Lex. I have lived there for well over twenty years. Just last week someone was cut across their abdomen and arm because someone said they were a snitch. Not long ago there was a huge meth bust. Before that someone got their throat slit for drugs, there was a rape about three months ago, gang related stabbings are pretty frequent, read the news paper and most all the police logs are burglaries and car thefts and breaking and entering. I know someone that had the only house in a three block radius not to be vandalized with graffiti only to have it happen two weeks later. And there are now registered 3 different gangs with a possibility of four in that town. So maybe if you are going to stand up for something you should know what you are standing up for. Lexington has one of the highest ratings in Nebraska for drug and gang related activity – do your research before you spout off.